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29 June 2013 @ 07:06 pm
Yes, I Have Now Seen It  
That said, I really need a day to really digest what I've seen.

Easy answer?

What I thought I'd like, I REALLY liked. What I figured would be issues were issues, mostly with the script, which I've always been side-eyeing, anyway. There's some serious disconnect at times and some of the history made me crazy. I only hated one thing and for obvious reasons.

And yep, that scene still bugs me. I'll explain why later.

Excellent casting, although I still think our Zod could kick Michael Shannon's Zod's ass. I just wasn't as impressed as I wanted to be with him. And I'll defend Amy to the death. Do I wish she had had even more screen time? Absolutely yes. Do I wish she had fallen from less things? Yes, just a little. The scene on the ship made up for it, though. Is she one of mine now, like Erica Durance and Margot? HELL YES.

And I miss Brandon Routh terribly, but we can absolutely keep Henry. I don't remember a single scene where I didn't believe in him.

Beyond that, you guys will have to wait until tomorrow night. Expect spoilers!
saavikam77: Clark Blue Rosessaavikam77 on June 30th, 2013 12:10 am (UTC)
Your initial reaction has made my day, sweetie. :D It sounds like we're on the same page concerning most points, and the one thing that it seems we don't agree on, I can totally live with.

Wasn't Henry just so surprisingly pretty and Amy so surprisingly BAD ASS that it just blew you away? XD Gods, I need to see it again just for the two of them.

*snuggles you super tight* :)
Lois: Clois :: Cute Cuddlekalalanekent on June 30th, 2013 12:58 am (UTC)
I figured we probably would be. And I was more annoyed at the parts that annoyed me. There are definitely parts that were added just for the fanboys. But I will say right now: LARA. Holy fucking God, LARA. I'm amazed just how much that section meant to me and my Kala muse. There's going to be some discussion on that topic in the future, what it means to truly be a Lady of Krypton. Trust me.

And yes, yes, yes. Seriously! They both absolutely made that film. They could have just had it about the pair of them, Perry, and the Planet and I would have been happy. So looking forward to a sequel for that reason. I mean, damn!

*snuggles you back* But yes, brought back some seriously inspiration from both the good and the bad on this one. :D
athenesolon: Kal-El and Lois danceathenesolon on June 30th, 2013 01:51 pm (UTC)
I was trying to figure out which scene you are talking about with regards to Lara (I saw and responded to someone on tumblr that felt the birth scene was unnecessary.) I really, really adored the birth scene. I had tears in my eyes BOTH times as I understood the significance of it (I'd been spoiled to the fact that Kal-El's birth had been an aberration in this version of Krypton's society.) It was really poignant considering the fact that I'm about 2-3 months away from giving birth. Knowing that she would have had no siblings, no parents that would have known what to expect and help her prepare... wow.
Lois: Across the Universe :: Lara Lor-Van colokalalanekent on June 30th, 2013 02:02 pm (UTC)
The entire intro was difficult for me to follow at first because I hadn't been spoiled for any of it; the birth scene threw me in that I'm used to the matrices, but here she was having natural birth. Then they showed the matrices later. Everything that they showed of Krypton in the film should have been Ancient Krypton, not to mention the Star Wars costumes [yeeeah, that's one of my problems with the film], so I was allllll messed up trying to figure what the hell Synder was up to.

No, Lara wasn't just amazing in the birth scene [although, I agree that she was incredibly brave to do what she did]. That was an amazingly strong woman to make the sacrifices she made not only in daring the birth, not only in finally making herself give up her son, not only for facing Zod and damning the three of them for killing Jor-El, but to have ridden out the destruction of Krypton to the end, literally facing it in the end.

It's given me so many House of El feels that I'm still trying to work through.
athenesolon: Impressed Loisathenesolon on June 30th, 2013 03:05 pm (UTC)
Agreed. In many ways we got a stronger perspective from her (at least in the scenes regarding the control over giving up her child to Earth) than in any previous version that I know of (I haven't seen the Lara scene on Smallville so I can't say one way or the other there). I loved that they gave her that agency. I almost think we're supposed to be thrown by the birth (at least us
old-timers"/dedicated fans that would know that sort of canon). I hadn't even thought about her choosing to face her own destruction head on but you are right about that scene. It had it's own strength as well.

For all they got wrong (costumes/changes/tweaks to canon) boy did they get a decent amount right (particularly with the women.) It's changes/tweaks that have left me a little silent on my own opinion even after seeing it twice (and debating between seeing it once more or waiting to purchase it on DVD).
Lois: Across The Universe :: Lara Kal-Elkalalanekent on July 2nd, 2013 01:13 pm (UTC)
We really did and it was nice for me to see it because she's always been one of my favorite characters in the mythos. A lot of people talk about how little she does in the Reeve years, but people have to be kind in the fact that that was almost 35 years ago and the canon hadn't progressed that far in the realistic case of Jor-El and Lara. I think you're right about being thrown, the more I think about it. I spent the first ten minutes of the movie screaming, "They're in the wrong age! This is the Golden Age of Krypton! This is SO many years in the past!" So, yeah. Agreed.

The last scene with Lara and the scenes between Zod and Jor-El have given me so many feels about what it means to be House of El. I get this feeling that a lot of it's going to find its way into LaOH's canon. I think it's going to show with Kala the most, with her mindset about Krypton.

Oh, honey, you can tell me about your issues with it. I'm pretty much open to everyone's opinion on it. It was a good film, overall, but there are definite flaws. Just the same as SR, as much as I do still love it. In the end, we'll be seeing it again because Anissa wants to have a clearer understanding of it without the shocks of initial canon-change. ;)

Edited at 2013-07-02 01:13 pm (UTC)
athenesolon: Lois knocking on Perry's doorathenesolon on July 3rd, 2013 02:32 am (UTC)
I think the last third being so completely actiony is my primary issue with this one. I have a pretty open mind when it comes to the Kryptonian tech. With that said, the fluid metal display idea just didn't sit well with me considering the holographic displays would have been better detailed than Kelex or Kelor would have shown. The killing thing... I'm torn on. On the one hand Zod was talking genocide of the human race before and even more so afterwards, so the idea that he might have to be killed was something that I could imagine. I had also been spoiled for the death scene so it hadn't thrown me one way or the other as I had been able to mentally prepare.

I decided to get the novelization instead of going to it in the theater one more time. I'm finding the action sequences more palatable in written form than visual form despite not being any different from the movie.
(Anonymous) on July 1st, 2013 08:48 am (UTC)
Just a little note on the subject of Lara... In many ways, she reminds me of 300's Queen Gorgo (whose role was expanded in the movie, by the way). Lara's confrontation with Zod in the Coucil Chamber has a lot of parallels with Gorgo's "I am not your Queen. And you will not enjoy this." to Theron. Her brave decision to have Kal naturally, giving him a chance Kryptonians can only dream of, is also similiar to Gorgo's stance when she says "Only Spartan women give birth to real men", and her stoic acceptance of Krypton's fate makes me think of Gorgo's final admonishment to Leonidas: "Come back with your shield, or on it."

All I can say is that Zack Snyder seems to like strong women in his films (and by strong, I don't mean necessarily able to kick butt like men, though it does come in handy), for all that his films may look like a testosterone feast at times. I like that a lot, for it is the rare man out there who is confident enough not to smother women or reduce them to cliché roles.

Lauré :)
Lois: Across the Universe :: Lara Lor-Van colokalalanekent on July 2nd, 2013 01:24 pm (UTC)
There are most DEFINITELY comparisons between the two. I was thinking about that the other night. I might not always like Snyder's movie, but when I do watch them, it is very much a theme. I think it explains my love/hate relationship with him. His women are always strong and his cinematography is out of this world, but it ends up being unbalanced for me in the ultra-violence and occasional objectification (yes, Sucker Punch, I'm looking at you. Which makes me crazy, because I find myself watching it, anyway.).

Anissa made a good point as we were leaving the theater. MoS is a pretty feminist-friendly film, which is a good idea considering how many female fans came out to see it, especially for the chance to see canon-Clois again. No one can say he fell into the trap of sexing Lois up at all and the writing on her and the other women of the mythos was bar none. Honestly, they're some of the most realistic women I've seen. Even our gender-swapped Jimmy, Jenny, was written well, for the little she was in the film.

Nope, I'll never complain that the women in this film were props. I think it was the things that might have made me the happiest. Also love that he didn't throttle Lois back at all. Although yes, she has to fall off of things a lot less in the inevitable-sequel. ;)
(Anonymous) on July 1st, 2013 09:51 pm (UTC)
Was there a possible Supergirl ref in the movie or am I over geeking for part 2/a JL movie? Sorry I feel like I'm about to spoiler explode here.
Lois: Comics :: Supergirl Shadowedkalalanekent on July 2nd, 2013 01:26 pm (UTC)
Re: Seriously?
Hmmm, I must have missed that one. Where in the film was it? There are so many tributes in it that I caught, but know I didn't get all of them. And no worries. Go ahead and blurt, hon. I'll look for it next time we see it.
(Anonymous) on July 2nd, 2013 06:53 pm (UTC)
Re: Seriously?
Less of a tribute and more of a hint maybe? It was really the only explanation I could think of for the magical appearance of the Superman suit in the scout ship. One of the sleep pods contained a body but the other was open and empty. They never showed any other corpses. Probably just a hopeful stretching of the imagination on my part.
athenesolonathenesolon on July 2nd, 2013 10:12 pm (UTC)
Re: Seriously?
The tie-in comic by Goyer (the scriptwriter for MoS and the sequel) doesn't just reference her, it FEATURES her. Basically the scout ship that was found in the Arctic was her scout ship. She was the captain of it but it was sabotaged and it was taken off-course to Earth. They don't make it clear, but the strongly suggest that she joined the human populations of the time (the end of the comic has a group of Eskimos carving the El crest into their structure.). Whether or not that means she survived to modern-day is an open question. The producers have been coy about whether or not she will show up in the sequel.
Lois: Comics :: Supergirl Shadowedkalalanekent on July 3rd, 2013 11:25 am (UTC)
Re: Seriously?
Huh. Well, the more you know. I was trying to avoid what spoilers I could, so I never knew. That's a good little bit of trivia. I'll have to look closer when we watch it next. :D
athenesolon: Lois knocking on Perry's doorathenesolon on July 3rd, 2013 01:01 pm (UTC)
Re: Seriously?
I don't know if there's a strong reference to her other than the suit being in the scout ship and an opened capsule (I've seen it twice and even looking for a more explicit reference than that I haven't seen it.)
Lois: Lois :: Smokingkalalanekent on July 6th, 2013 07:37 pm (UTC)
Re: Seriously?
Waaait. Now I remember seeing that scene. I had wondered what was up with the bodies, but I had honestly forgotten about it in the crazy action of the rest of the film. Hmmm... Gonna have to look into this.
athenesolon: Belle in Libraryathenesolon on July 2nd, 2013 09:43 pm (UTC)
Re: Seriously?
It is, actually. As I went to the Walmart premiere I got a code for a prequel comic talking about the part associated with colonizing worlds. Kara was captain of the scout ship that crashed in the arctic (it had been sent off-course to Earth through sabotage that killed everyone but Kara.). The comic doesn't make it clear whether of not she survived after killing the sabateour but they didn't make it clear that she DIED either (the Eskimos at the end were carving the S symbol into their walls.).

I've been hearing rumors that Kara might be in the sequel. We'll have to see, though.
(Anonymous) on July 3rd, 2013 01:02 am (UTC)
Re: Seriously?
Gah! I was on the fence about going to the Walmart showing. I thought it would be full of small children and I wouldn't hear a thing :( . Kicking myself for it now.
athenesolonathenesolon on July 3rd, 2013 02:26 am (UTC)
Re: Seriously?
Mine was maybe 2/3 full and only a 1/3 kids (mind you, I live in a smaller town and the showing I went to was the 3D version, meaning not as many would have considered it.)