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11 April 2010 @ 09:14 pm
Ever Have One of Those Days...  
where you read a comment on a website that you've frequented for years and see a comment, a warning even, that immediately makes you wonder if they're referring to you? Especially after a really lousy day? And you're at least a little guilty of the accusation, even if they may be talking about someone else and something much more offensive? 

Yeah, me, too. *slumps*

ETA: This is what's making me nervous (posted at Caped Wonder a couple of days ago by Jim Bowers):

High-resolution files or prints of CapedWonder™ imagery are only available to employees and board members of DC Comics, Warner Bros., the Christopher and Dana Reeve Foundation, and other major studios and organizations that are assigned with official and approved Christopher Reeve/Superman projects. Please do not post CapedWonder™ imagery or your manipulations of CapedWonder™ imagery on any websites, message boards, forums, blogs, or social networking sites such as Facebook, Twitter or similar without prior written permission. Thank you.

I was never aware that he didn't want any of it to ever be used for anything and I try to give credit where I can. Most of what I have as manip bases isn't from CW, but it's enough to make me nervy. And I'm almost too scared to contact him at this point, especially since I wanted to see if he might actually approve of reeveverse . Not sure what to do now. :(
On the Verge of: sickStuffy
Grace: Tristan; *HUGS*repmetsyrrah on April 12th, 2010 01:31 am (UTC)
*hugs* I get really paranoid, about stuff like that too sometimes. Even if it's obvious they meant something else entirely.

Don't let it freak you out. Not sure exactly what you're talking about but if they did mean you they should at least have the guts to say so. Else they're not worth the trouble.
Lois: DP :: Iconic Globekalalanekent on April 12th, 2010 01:37 am (UTC)
Actually, I don't think he'd actually name who it was, as he's a classy gentlemen. Jim Bowers over at Caped Wonder posted a comment about pics from his site being used by anyone other than (name your company) and how it wasn't to be done. Now, we've used at least a few in our graphics from time to time and he did mention photo manipulations. Which is enough to make me wonder.

Everything we've used hasn't been for profit or anything else, but it's enough to make me leery.
Grace: SM; Stealin' Jimmy's Camerarepmetsyrrah on April 12th, 2010 01:49 am (UTC)
Oh, I see- and I can see why it made you a bit nervous too (Although I'm surprised he didn't mention LJ if he'd seen stuff you'd posted...). I wonder why he doesn't want them posted anywhere else? I'd think so long as credit was given it wouldn't matter.

Unfortunately I'd think you may have to take them down from reeveverse for the moment (are you going to contact him?), maybe just linking to where he posted them would be fine for now?
Lois: Lois :: Huh?kalalanekent on April 12th, 2010 02:03 am (UTC)
Actually...looking at RV, I haven't posted anything over there lately that's been culled from CW. I think the only things that have been posted at all in the last little while have been over here at my LJ and, even then, I'm not sure that I've used anything other than a pic of Chris that was from SIII and also in our caps. *frowns* The only other things I have are some of my icons. Curiouser and curiouser...

Maybe it isn't me.
Grace: ATLA; Camoflagerepmetsyrrah on April 12th, 2010 03:12 am (UTC)
I'd think if it was you he'd have mentioned LJ even if he wasn't naming names. The fact he mentioned Twitter and fb makes me think it's those two he's targetting with the warning.

I agree with the comments below as well. If you post something on the net you can't control it anymore.
Lois: Lois :: Laughterkalalanekent on April 12th, 2010 03:30 am (UTC)
I think I agree, now that I really think on it. I mean, why wouldn't he? I'd like to think that we're pretty respectful of his stuff. And I know for a fact that Jim has a FB account. It would make sense. I think I'm calming down more the longer I'm thinking about this. Best to err on the side of caution, but still...
Ferd: bale-fan girls?ferdalump on April 12th, 2010 01:34 am (UTC)
Not sure i know exactly what you mean, but it's easy to mis-read things on the internet, or be paranoid by things you read since there usually isn't much context or any inflection behind the words said. I think it's good to have self awareness, and know what upsets people, but you can't always control how people are going to feel about you and your efforts so just try to focus on the things you can control, your own creations and happiness.

Lois: Lois :: Bad Daykalalanekent on April 12th, 2010 01:48 am (UTC)
(see the ETA: ^)

For once, it wasn't just some random attack. In this case, he may have a point that I was only just now totally aware of and I'm more than a little bit embarrassed if he means me. I also wonder why this is a big deal now when I've been using pics there on and off for a couple of years. I don't know what I'll end up doing if he really does mean me. :(
Ferd: Bale- Pout- taking by bat toysferdalump on April 12th, 2010 02:02 am (UTC)
That's tricky. I can understand your concern, especially if you have posted the pics elsewhere. Honestly, if he had issues with them being reposted, he should've made it clear when he posted the pics (each and every time) as well as clearly watermark them to prevent them from being reposted. Honestly though, once someone (in this case being him) posts something on the internet, it's pretty hard to have control of the image any longer. It's kinda like getting the horse back in the barn. Also, he himself does not own the rights to the photos themselves, and while he may have obtained them and have the exclusive hold of them, he did choose to put them out in a public place on the internet, so it's kinda hard for him to behave as though they were taken from him. You know? It's just that old adage, if you don't want something being seen, don't put it on the internet. A lot of people want to claim ownership to a lot of things---for me, I run into it with Bale pics--but the truth is the rights to them belong to the photographers and/or the studios that commissioned the shots. NOT the webmaster who obtained them however he did. Granted, if you want to have an amiable relationship with him and continue to frequent the site in a positive way, you should respect his rules. However, there really isn't thing he can do to stop you from reposting the images, and I can assure you, you aren't the only one who has done. I'm sure there are a host of people who do. You know how fast "exclusive" Smallville pics get around. It's just the nature of the internet. It's unfortuante, because it is cool to have THEE site with all the cool exclusive pics and news, but it's just too easy for others to take the photos and run with them, and a web master can't argue the ownership to the photos that they didn't snap themselves.

Edited at 2010-04-12 02:05 am (UTC)
Lois: Lois :: Smokingkalalanekent on April 12th, 2010 02:10 am (UTC)
You do have a really good point there. Also, after looked back at reeveverse, I haven't used anything from the CW site there in a while. Like, in months. The only other place that I know that we've done it for in my icons in my LJ. I've yet to receive an email or anything from him. I think I'll continue with business as usual until he actually contacts me. Likely won't be using anything new from Caped Wonder for manip work, but I'll just link to the site for januaried's and my community from here on out.

Thanks, bb! That really helped. *blows kiss*
Ferd: Bale- Geek iconferdalump on April 12th, 2010 02:26 am (UTC)
I'm glad it makes you feel better. And the thing is, all of us who post pics and make manips are breaking the law techinically, not because we take the pics from a fan site, but because we are using copywritten images that belong to the photographers/studios. It always amuses me when fans try to claim you can't use their screengrabs for fan art, because the product they screengrabbed doesn't belong to them. They are breaking the law technically by making the screengrabs and putting them on the 'net. Same thing when someone scans a magazine pic or a book image. They have no rights at all to the scans, the original photographer and studio/etc hold the rights.

Of course, hairs get split further when it comes to taking someone's art (or like when someone takes my vids I've posted on youtube.) Clearly a fan artist or vidder put time and effort into creating the piece of fan art, and so they (in the realm of fandom) have 'rights' to the creation, but legally they don't at all because the material they manipulated (be it a picture, screengrab or clips from a show or movie) don't belong to them. It's an unspoke rule among fans to not steal other people's work, and yet we all 'steal' from the photographers, and movies to get our materials.

But no website can claim ownership to movie images or photos of actors/actresses. He may have a working relationship with the photographers or studios and have obtained rare images that way, but again, he has no legal rights at all to the photos, and he lost any exclusive claims after he slapped them on the internet for all to see.

Don't fret. Websites from time to time post such warnings because being "FIRST" or "EXCLUSIVE" is a big thing on the internet. It's why a lot of fan sites watermark. But again, in the eyes of the law, a fan site watermarking an image that is copywritten by someone else is breaking the law. So it posting an image that doesn't belong to you. But to put it into perspective, about 98% of what is on youtube is in essence guilty of breaking copyright laws. ;)

Edited at 2010-04-12 02:28 am (UTC)
saavikam77: Clark Jimmy Photosaavikam77 on April 12th, 2010 01:37 am (UTC)
Good gods, what happened? O_O Was it something at The Planet?

*snugs you tight*
Lois: Lois :: Caughtkalalanekent on April 12th, 2010 01:57 am (UTC)
(see the ETA ^)

I think some of the picspams may have to come down at RV for the next little while. I'll keep the icons up, but I may screw up my courage and contact him in the next couple of days.
saavikam77: Clark Jimmy Photosaavikam77 on April 12th, 2010 03:39 am (UTC)
Oy, what craziness. *rolls eyes at them*

Pretty much everything Ferd said, yeah. It sounds like an 'exclusivity' thing, and they're just ruffling their feathers.

If you want to be safer about the picspams, though, I'd just say f-lock them.

And just to be sure, none of the images that got used for the Porn Fest banners came from there, did they?

*more snugs*
Lois: Clois :: Keep Holding Onkalalanekent on April 12th, 2010 03:44 am (UTC)
I'm starting to think so, too, although I'm glad I actually worried.

Will do on the picspams, methinks. Make it community-only.

I don't believe so. All of the pics we used are available on Goggle, if you know where to look.

*snugs back*
saavikam77: Clark Facesaavikam77 on April 12th, 2010 03:51 am (UTC)
Ah, phew! :p
Lois: Clois :: Keep Holding Onkalalanekent on April 12th, 2010 03:44 am (UTC)
I'm starting to think so, too, although I'm glad I actually worried.

Will do on the picspams, methinks. Make it community-only.

I don't believe so. All of the pics we used are available on Google, if you know where to look.

*snugs back*
athenesolon: Lois and Kal-El Hugathenesolon on April 12th, 2010 02:16 am (UTC)
I suspect it's a generalized reminder of the website to a degree. I know there's been a couple of manips of very obviously Caped Wonder pics on the casting wars page over on the Planet so I suspect it was more in reaction to that than you guys.
Lois: Lois :: Caughtkalalanekent on April 12th, 2010 02:18 am (UTC)
*huge sigh of possible relief* I just didn't realize that there were others out there using things. Makes me feel a little better, but I think L and I will play things a little more carefully for a bit.
athenesolon: Lois knocking on Perry's doorathenesolon on April 12th, 2010 02:30 am (UTC)
Caution is always a virtue.
Lois: Lois :: Grinkalalanekent on April 12th, 2010 02:35 am (UTC)
Too true, too true.
januaried: emote + omgjanuaried on April 12th, 2010 03:24 am (UTC)
...Holy crap, this freaks me out. I'm going to have to go back over everything I've posted and try to remember where it came from. *bites lip, tries not to panic completely*
Lois: Clois :: Hold On To Mekalalanekent on April 12th, 2010 03:27 am (UTC)
I think the others are right, bb. I don't think it's us, seeing as how he didn't mention any of our mediums here. We'll just be cautious for a bit. Remember, most of our stuff comes from caps, not his site. There are just a handful that we've honestly used.

And maybe now wouldn't be the worst time to get around to talking to him.
Lois: Lois :: Lovekalalanekent on April 12th, 2010 03:45 am (UTC)
Tell me you're still breathing, bb!
clarks_girlclarks_girl on April 13th, 2010 01:46 am (UTC)
I can see if in the wrong frame of mind, sick, PMS’y, trying to give up smoking…….all of the above (waving my hand in the air) you can feel as though you are being targeted, paranoid, pissed off, just need a roof top and an AK47 and your life would be complete…..whoops sorry – that’s me. But Jim has put this type of request on this site in the past, and a lot of people use the Caped Wonder imagery. It would be interesting to find out if he has any of these images licensed or copy-writed.

I’ll go back to my box now……but damn I need a cigarette!!!

Grumpily Yours

Lois: Lois :: Grinkalalanekent on April 14th, 2010 05:49 pm (UTC)
All that from him and he just announced that he's leaving the site for six months. It never lasts, but maybe that's why he put it up.

Oh, Jody, sweetheart. While I have the flamethrower out for kabuki_party, anyone else you want flame-broiled?