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20 April 2009 @ 02:16 pm
Say WHAT?!?!  
Expect a rant here later tonight on just how much I think it sucks that there are so many people out there that consider Batman a more viable character than Superman just because he's dark and brooding and has no problem beating up the bad guys. I love Bruce, but does he represent a better way of life? No. Have we fallen so far that hope and peace are 'cardboard and unrealistic'? There are no words for just how much that pisses me off. Seriously. When the day comes that we consider those values as 'stupid and outdated', I'll go live in a cave somewhere. It just sickens me, especially when it's not just the fanboys talking. *starts packing now*

...if I go any further, I'll be late for work. So I'll shut up for now, but this...

I'm just so disgusted. How can we have fallen so far?

BTW, this is not an anti-Bat post. I'm not attacking the fans of Bruce here. It's not the character's fault. It's more of a shock that we readers and fans have become this jaded. When it gets to the point that The Blackbird of Happiness is having to comment on it, that's pretty bad.

That said, bring the wank. I really don't care. Some of us still believe in truth, justice, and hope. Only the American Way has become murky.
On the Verge of: nauseatednauseated
Andrea: CLARK-grinanakaliaandrea on April 20th, 2009 06:47 pm (UTC)
I totally get that.
People these days seem to prefer darker things. Batman being one. They tend to lean more towards Bats because Superman is a 'weeny' cause he doesn't believe in killing. Or he's to light and fluffy. Personally I enjoy Supes. He is a great icon to look up to and his morals and love for human life makes him more incredible. <3
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Lois: Lois :: Facepalmkalalanekent on April 20th, 2009 07:07 pm (UTC)
Bryan, you make my head hurt.
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Lois: Kal-El :: The Missionkalalanekent on April 20th, 2009 07:10 pm (UTC)
Yes, yes, I think he still does. And I wish other people cared. *sigh*
saavikam77: Destinysaavikam77 on April 20th, 2009 07:37 pm (UTC)
I think people are more interested in 'bad ass' characters nowadays, and Superman just doesn't have that 'bad ass' vibe that Batman has. It's just sad, b/c Supes is really more about restraint, doing the right thing, and taking responsibility, while Bats is seen as the dark, wild one (despite the fact that he has to be a master of himself in order to do what he does). People only want the punching and attitude anymore. :(

But not me! I do love Bruce as a character, but Clark has got my fangirl heart. ^_~
ladymackenzieladymackenzie on April 20th, 2009 07:40 pm (UTC)

I too have noticed a trend in people hating "Boy Scouts". Well guess what?! I *MARRIED* an Eagle Scout!!! And my son was in Cub Scouts until we started having transportation problems! I *LOVE* "Boy Scout" Heros. To me those are the best Hero for my own children to look up to. It's not just this fandom though. I first noticed the trend in the Highlander fandom when I first got online. Methos had the most fans and they called Duncan (the main Character) a boy scout. Just because had Methos lived longer and had a shaded past (He raped and murdered during the Bronze Age), people thought he was better than Duncan (who while not perfect never raped anyone nor did he commit cold blooded murder just because he "enjoyed it and was good at it." ). To me, it's not your past that makes you a better hero. It's what you are doing now that counts.

Yes, I like Batman. I love Superman the best though. Why? Not really sure. Batman is darker, maybe that's why. I don't know. All I do know that they both bring hope to a world who is killing hope. But their methods are different. Maybe I just like the super powers better, because it teaches the importance of self-control and self-discipline that everyone needs on a day to day basis. And it puts it into terms where a young child can learn it even if they don't realize that's what they are learning. (Well any child would pick up on it except my son who is drawn to Spider-man, again with the hitting to protect people. And he thinks it's ok to do that now! Ho-hum)

Anyway, I understand what you are saying and I agree with you for the most part! The one thing that I don't agree with or maybe I do agree with you, but just see it from another angle, is due to my religion. So I won't get into here unless you ask. If anyone else asks me, I will respond privately.

But then again, maybe that's why I am drawn to "Boy Scout" Heros. Because of the way that I believe.


maaike_fluffy on April 20th, 2009 09:43 pm (UTC)
This icon has never been more appropriate... :)

Frankly I never cared much for Batman. I mean, it's a nice enough idea, and I like it features a 'normal' guy fighting crime for a change, but I never was really attracted by the dark and brooding undertones in the entire story. Well, that, and i may have been ruined for life when I saw one of the old movies in cinema when I was about 7 and left after 10 minutes because if was too scary for me.


Yes, I was ickle once...

Seriously, I can see how Superman wouldn't be considered a 'realistic' character (or I guess that's what you mean with viable?--Too lazy to look the word up), being all serene and calm and powerful, and never getting corrupted by said power. It's not 'human'. But isn't that the whole point of Supermen? The last survivor of a 'superior' (for want of a better word) race coming to earth to show people what we could be like? To give people an example to live after and try to make their life better? To serve as a beacon of hope? That's who Superman IS. And that's what attracts me in the universe. The light undertones that encourages me to try some of that patience, kindness, selflessness and chivalrous myself. Batman doesn't inspire this in me.

Supes is my hero... the batman isn't.


*crosses arms*
dj_intheuk: Supermandj_intheuk on April 20th, 2009 09:57 pm (UTC)
Where is this wank? No matter. I've been hearing it for years. Superman has to exist if only to outshine the likes of Batman IMO. Standing the moral ground or whatever you want to call it means being uncool to the masses who want a hero they can 'identify' with - that's ok - Peter Parker/Spider-Man is a great example of that and one i love. But Superman has never been that - he's been someone to aspire to be - we all want that, its just most of us don't admit it - why? Cos it's not cool. Hmm, that again *rolls eyes*
januaried: SUPERMAN > Supermanjanuaried on April 21st, 2009 01:29 am (UTC)
Where is this wank?

There have been a load of fandom secrets lately saying things like "Superman is so boring" and so on. In the comments there are about a gazillion people agreeing and only a few disagreeing, every time.
dj_intheukdj_intheuk on April 21st, 2009 07:48 pm (UTC)
oh on live journal? *sigh*
januaried: SUPERMAN RETURNS > S-shieldjanuaried on April 21st, 2009 11:54 pm (UTC)
Yup. fandomsecrets

Edited at 2009-04-21 11:54 pm (UTC)
Obsessed fangirl: SV - Clark - Season 9babettew54 on April 21st, 2009 01:18 am (UTC)
I really don't think these believers in Batman are the majority. Sure, the darker character gets more press, more attention from the masses. I don't think that's anything new to society. It's just more pronounced because The Dark Knight was so popular and made a ton of money.
It's a sad statement about our society, but a lot of people are falling in line with this 'dark character' belief. I'm not falling in line with it, though.

(Anonymous) on April 28th, 2009 02:09 am (UTC)
Well, I dunno, but I think I must be a very strange animal, because I love both the Batty and Supes.

I honestly think that this society needs a bit of both. I mean, Superman is that otherworldly character that gives us hope that all is not vain, steering us towards goodness and kindness for all mankind. He is also a living example of restrained power. But at the same time, Batman (and Bruce Wayne) gives us a great lesson: that no one is beyond salvation, no matter how dark and twisted our lifepath can become. He overcame and harnessed his demons, and came out all the stronger. One grew up in the family setting of Smallville, Kansas, and the other faced too early on the cruelties of life in impersonal Gotham.

Their universes are also widely different. Metropolis is a great, bustling city with an unwavering belief in the strenght of the judicial system, though, like all systems, it is inherently flawed and can be bent to fit one's purpose, as the Luthor escape shows. Conversely, Gotham City is tremendously dark and corruption is rampant, making those who fight against crime have a more *ahem* direct approach.

In short, Superman is how mankind should strive to be, and Batman is what we are forced to become, more often than not. The knight in shining armour and the dark champion. Black and white, with all the shades of gray in between. And curiously, both are prime representatives of that axiom from another fandom: "with great power comes great responsibility". How we choose to react and implement that responsibility depends greatly of our circumstances.

And quite frankly, I cannot, for the life of me, be made to choose between Brandon and Christian. They're both too handsome for their own good, these lads...


Lauré :)
Lois: Lois :: Thoughtfulkalalanekent on April 28th, 2009 04:17 am (UTC)
And completely agree with what you said here. I do. Honestly, I do like both of them and see the reasoning behind loving both. That said, I'm more of a Superman fan, but you need the dark to appreciate the light and vice versa. That I don't have a problem with in the least.

My issue stems from the fact that so many people have turned on Superman for being the Good Guy, while Bruce is considered by some to be the perfect hero because he's willing to do whatever it takes, up to and including murder. While it's sometimes necessary, I guess I'm just too naive to understand why that makes him 'better' than Superman.

That said, this is probably one of the better explantions I've seen on it. Thanks, Laure!