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07 April 2009 @ 01:22 pm
Here Comes The Wank Again...Falling On My Head Like A Memory... *headdesk*  
Ooooh-kay. So, it seems that the SV fandom has gone wild over a simple set of icons made by one person. *disgusted sigh* And thus, we turn into the HP and SPN pit of wank. And all over the fact that NONE of us (save the Chloom fans) like the direction that Chloe has taken this year. That said, I'm not choosing sides. I refuse to. That said, I understand why the maker would feel as though it was justified to make them. And yes, the use of the phrase for a Southern hate group may have been a bit overboard, but I can see the comparison. It's the unreasoning hatred that she was trying to pinpoint there, not the actual crimes. Was it taken as being more literal than she meant? Yes. Was it may a bad idea to use that particular group. I'll go with 'maybe'.

There has been a lot of hatred thrown around in the Smallville fandom this last season, especially since Lois and Clark are finally, after four years, starting to realize that they mean something to each other. The Chlarkers aren't happy because, yet again, their pairing has been pushed aside and time is running out. She's slowly distancing herself from all of the other characters on the show as we watch. The Chloe fans are either unhappy about the Chimmy or the Chloom or overjoyed that she's with Davis or furious over her having married Jimmy. Or furious that she's walked out on Jimmy. Or furious that she's with Davis. The only good thing that's really come to them this season is the fact that they're now established Chloe is SV's Oracle, at least for now.  So, let's be honest, they have a right to be frustrated and angry. I mean, we Cloisers have been gritting our teeth over all of the way that they've slighted Lois on over the past four years, especially in the case of Lana.

The only problem becomes when a portion (and I'm being a little generous here; there really is a lot of it) of those frustrated fans take it out on another set of fans. Yes, we went through this with Lois and Lana and the debate still continues. The biggest problem comes down to the fact that Smallville has it's own canon that doesn't always mesh with anything in the 70 years of Superman canon. Which causes a lot of problems. In the comics, Lana and Clark (and actually, it wasn't even Clark; it was always Superboy or Superman) only were paired up in the Silver Age (roughly the 1950s and 1960s) and the shoe was on the other foot (Lana was in love with Clark; Clark only saw her as a friend) in the modern age. They were never a couple. Which makes the Clois fans sigh, although I was not really annoyed by it in the first couple of seasons. It was only when her eye started to wander that I got disgusted with it. It was sweet in the beginning, and made Clark happy, but it should have ended a lot sooner than it did. For both characters' sakes.

And poor Chloe. How can you not feel bad for her? To begin with, she's not canon for any of the Superman universes, which means that they can do anything they want with her without worrying about  canon-backlash. She's also an amalgam for both the reporter side of Lois Lane from all of the 'verses and the comic book Modern Age version of Lana, while SV's version of Lana gets to keep some of her canon, although on a grander scale. And the amount of times that they've been cruel enough to let Chloe indulge in her Clark crush, they've ripped it out of her hands on a brutal scale. THAT is why I don't want Clark with Chloe. He's just so thoughless where she's concerned. She always just gets brushed aside and hurt. And if they were going to place them together, it should have been a season or two ago. At this point, I'd cry foul just because she doesn't deserve to be hurt anymore. That's why the Chlarkers amaze me. He just hurts her when they're even a momentary couple. And she's not Lois; Chloe shouldn't have to be someone else. I really wish that the writers would have pulled her completely out of the Lois/Lana mold as time went on. That said, I'm really enjoying the Oracle thing, although it is putting her in yet another spot that's owned by another character.

I'm not going into the character assassination that has been the whole Davis/Doomsday thing. I think it's an interesting plot device, but it's utterly unfair of them to cast her in this light. That's what all of the dissing icons are about; not Chloe herself, but what they've done to her. Allison has been amazing this season, acting-wise. She's jumped in and played what she's been given to the hilt. Nevertheless, it's been heart-breaking to watch how they're pulling her away from the rest of the cast and in a direction that she never should have been pulled into. It's just so sad.

That said, the whole notion that this fandom can't live and let live over the whole Chloe/Lois debate is just stupid. I really can't understand why the attacks happen, although I'm sure that something similar had to be happening with the Clana fans and the Clois fans. Stepping on canon does tend to get people up in arms and the Lois fans somehow manage to get themselves into trouble up to their ears when they try to defend their pairing because there is so much canon for it. I have been trying the entire time I've been in the fandom to keep my irritation over the Clana to a minimum, mostly because I don't want to be involved in a flame-war. Isn't there some way to all have our opinions without smashing each other.

*headdesk* *heavy sigh*

Okay, I think I've said my piece. Fire away, all.
 
 
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Rache: DC Comics - Clois - Hugsparkled_pink on April 7th, 2009 06:51 pm (UTC)
Yes. -head desk too- I removed the CCFs icons because there were nice people on there who politely asked me to remove them.. other than the others who were just down-right mean about it. But I replaced them!! And I'd have to say.. I like the new ones better. :)

But I agree with everything you said sweetie.
Lois: Lois :: Lovekalalanekent on April 8th, 2009 04:27 am (UTC)
The ones that were down-right mean don't know you as well you think and aren't worth crying over. You were trying to take a stand for all of the Clois fans out there that were getting pitchforked and torched out there by the Chloe fans and the Chlarkers. Let me tell you, if someone attacked RV Clois the way I've seen and heard about from experience or from you guys in any forum, I'd go off. If anyone threatened Margot herself, someone had better grab my behind, because I'd rumble. And I make no apologies for that. I can't ever remember saying anything nasty about KK or Allison or even Annette when I still couldn't stand her Lana, for that matter. It's just stupid and ignorant.

Take heart that it may have been taken all too literally and then blown out of proportion, but you did strike a blow for us and I'm proud of you for that.
(no subject) - sparkled_pink on April 8th, 2009 04:41 am (UTC) (Expand)
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(Anonymous) on April 7th, 2009 06:54 pm (UTC)
Great essay, bb! I'll comment more when I get back - I'm at work. :P

♥ Riz
Lois: SV :: OOC Chloekalalanekent on April 8th, 2009 04:29 am (UTC)
I just couldn't stand the in-fighting any longer. Eventhough I really couldn't afford the time to post, I felt as though I should say something, especially since Rache did have a point.

*huggles*
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K: bitch pleasekabuki_party on April 7th, 2009 09:22 pm (UTC)
You know what I like? The morons who think the characters are actually real. They cannot separate reality from fiction, it's ridiculous.

take for instance the show House. Last night a major character died, and fox network set up a facebook memorial page for the character.

quite a few people commented, asking if he died in real life.


*facepalm* NO YOU MORONS, THE CHARACTER DIED NOT THE ACTOR! Jeebus christmas, some people are dumb as shit!
AlphieLJ: Going Madalphielj on April 7th, 2009 10:07 pm (UTC)
Oh fandom wank... what did we do before you came along?

I don't even know what to say about this. Comparing the characterization slaughter of Chloe to the KKK is a bit much. And hating the actor for the character they portray... wtf??? (For the record, I have nothing against Kristin, but boy do I hate Lana on Smallville.) But it still just gets me that people can put so much time and energy and effort and talent and thought into hating things that they really have no control over.

No, I don't like what's happened with Chloe. But I don't like lots of stuff that happen in my millions of fandoms. Can I complain about it, yes. Is my complaint ever going to do anything other than make me feel better for getting that off my chest and hopefully help me find someone who feels the same way I do? Yeah, it might. Do I need to go start a whole hateful community full of bashers where our only purpose in life is to hate something that we don't own and have no control over? No. And yet time and again I have seen it happen on the internet. Harry Potter, Star Trek, Star Wars, Twilight, Smallville... and on and on and on. And fandom wank is there through it all to prove just how much time is spent in todays world on destruction. And how willing the vast majority of the world is to laugh at you for it.

Lois - I'm with you on this one. I don't get it. I never have and never will. Why can't these people use their talent to do something productive that can benefit someone? Like write fan fiction! I didn't like how SR ended... so I wrote!

Gah.

Whatever...

Edited at 2009-04-07 10:09 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - kabuki_party on April 7th, 2009 10:25 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - kalalanekent on April 8th, 2009 04:33 am (UTC) (Expand)
Loony Loopy Lea Lovegoodchickadilly on April 7th, 2009 10:04 pm (UTC)
My issue was with the KKK comparisons and o nly the KKK comparisons. The rest I didn't really care about - heck I have issue with the way the writers are dealing with Chloe this season too.

I wouldn't have said anything at all though if not for the KKK comparison - I felt that was crossing a line - and not a minor one. If the tables were turned and the die hard Chloe fans - /Chlois shippers/Chlark shippers - made icons portraying Lois fans in comparison to the KKK we would have reacted just the way they reacted.

That said - yes, I do agree that the fandom fueding is a waste of time ... and I agree with a lot of what you're saying about Chloe. I've always loved Chloe - you know that - but I hate the way the writers are using her this season. What happened to that plucky girl?



Edited at 2009-04-07 10:06 pm (UTC)
Lois: LS :: Superman Lois :: Love Youkalalanekent on April 8th, 2009 04:12 am (UTC)
Lea, Lea, Lea, I wasn't talking about you alone, my darling! *hugs* There was a lot of freak out in different places on my F-List about it. I really, really hope that you didn't think that was directed at you!

It's so sad for me because, as I've been watching Clois rise this season, I've had to watch the Chloe that I have wanted to protect for seven seasons fall. It's just such a shame that we can't have both the Clois and a happy life for Chloe.
(no subject) - chickadilly on April 8th, 2009 04:18 am (UTC) (Expand)
Rae: DeanNoDammitautumnrae89 on April 7th, 2009 10:20 pm (UTC)
I already threw all my toys out of the pram yesterday. It's sad that we have to come to blows every bloody five seconds but enough is enough. I want to love both characters in peace damn it!

As a Chlavis fan (YES I SHIP THEM; they have good chemistry), it doesn't mean I agree with what they did to the Chimmy relationship. (FAIL MUCH?!) Or what they've done to Chloe now either, it's all BS. They destroyed the Chloe character after such a good start (Um, epic!love for the hands on the glass y/y?) with this utter... crap. I don't even know if I'm making sense but anyways. I just don't understand why she would choose this. WHY DAMN IT?!

As for imploding fangirls, game over man. It's been too long to keep this BS up. Let it go. Inhale, exhale or sumthin'.

This makes no sense to even me so I hope you get my jist.
Lois: Lois :: Facepalmkalalanekent on April 8th, 2009 04:39 am (UTC)
As a Chlavis fan (YES I SHIP THEM; they have good chemistry)...

EEEEWWWWWW!

XD

Just teasing. I can see where it would make sense and I might have been able to see it myself IF they had gone there before Chloe married Jimmy. I could see it in the first half of the season, even. My biggest problem with this is what they're doing the three of them to make the finale work right for the finale. *FAILS* I mean, they're finally doing the Clois the right way and they made Chloe Oracle (which I've been waiting to see FOREVER!!), but then they're likely going to kill Chlo, which really annoys me.
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Tamanna: scaryswingandswirl on April 7th, 2009 10:44 pm (UTC)
... And just when I was thinking that maybe it was time to finally give in and watch some SV like a good little DC fangirl... *facepalms*

I've never understood shipping wars. Didn't understand the whole Harry/Hermione vs Ron/Hermione crap when I was in HP, don't understand the Chloe/Lana/Lois debate now. They're just fictional characters, what on earth does it matter who they end up with? I can understand being pissed if the writers mess with a character, but after a point... just live and let live, y'know? If mainstream DC and N3 fandoms can manage it, why not others? *sighs*
Grace: SR; Lol; Clark confused himselfrepmetsyrrah on April 8th, 2009 02:14 am (UTC)
Didn't understand the whole Harry/Hermione vs Ron/Hermione crap when I was in HP

I didn't either! *headdesk* That was one of the reasons I left that fandom. I remember my first encounter with a HHr die-hard shipper and it kind of scared me because I'd previously thought this person was rather down-to-earth and sensible yet here she was practically foaming at the mouth over the relationship of two fictional characters. Fandom can get pretty crazy I guess.

Perfect icon btw!
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Andrea: CLOIS-comicsanakaliaandrea on April 8th, 2009 12:11 am (UTC)
agreed, thoroughly. I shipped Clana on sv before clois (even though in everything else superman I shipped clois) but now I ship cloid fully on the show. but even as a clana fan , still am but moved to 2nd place, I never bashed cloisers/lois/erica over it. A bit dramatic I would say. or threaten to kill a real person over it. geez. people are pretty sad these days. but if chlarkers have the right to say what they want and bash, why should we sit around? but it also shouldn't be turned into a bashing hate-fest. We can all agree we love smallville. right?
IDK, it's a mess.
Grace: Comic; Sg; Bad Dayrepmetsyrrah on April 8th, 2009 02:08 am (UTC)
I saw those and I remember thinking it was a little odd but I've seen so much worse on icons and all that and it seems to me if you don't like it, just don't use it. Although I'm wondering if the whole KKK thing is something I don't understand entirely because I don't live in the US, we don't really have stuff that bad over here.

But people can get so worked up over these things can't they? I think everyone should take a deep breath and repeat after me: It's just a show, I really should just relax.

MST3K mantra, btw :). Keeps me sane
Lois: Lois :: Facepalmkalalanekent on April 10th, 2009 06:05 pm (UTC)
I've seen a lot worse, too, but I think it was the KKK mention that blew it over the top. I think Rache was trying to word it strongly enough to make her point. Seeing as how the KKK is a group that viciously and single-mindedly hates African-Americans just for the color of their skin (they've killed any number of them since the Civil War), I can see how the parallel was made, but it maybe wasn't the best choice to compare.

Then again, if there had been a comparison with any other hate group, it would have been taken just as badly. And while the Chloe fans we were talking about aren't killing anyone (although some have threatened Erica), they are extremely nasty and vindictive in certain corners of the fandom. Some people just can't deal with the fact that canon is canon, even when it comes to SV.
beautygirl777 on April 9th, 2009 05:49 pm (UTC)
Yea,I'm getting sick of fandom....*blek*
beautygirl777 on April 9th, 2009 05:52 pm (UTC)
aren't you??...(sick of fandom ....and some certain chlarkers.....at least there are SOME good ones..maybe. =)
Lois: Lois :: Does Not Approvekalalanekent on April 10th, 2009 05:46 pm (UTC)
Honestly, I'm exhausted by the wank, which is just awful since I don't even allow myself to go to the SV forums. I wish that part of it would stop, but I just can't give up fandom. Not with the Clois so close.
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